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Post Election Blues

Posted by Mark · November 4th, 2004 · 7 Comments

My friends have been asking how I feel. I’m still somewhat in shock. Tuesday, I allowed myself to be exuberant over exit polls showing a very ugly day for Bush. Frankly, I have more faith in exit polling than in electronic voting machines. But for the moment, let’s make a stretch and postulate that the results provided by the electronic machines reflected the votes as they were cast.

It’s disturbing. It’s worse than last time.

Last time, I had the reassurance that more Americans had cast their votes for Al Gore. As the consortium report proved beyond any shadow of a doubt, more Floridians cast votes for Al Gore that election day, as well. It was a stolen election. That was bad.

This, if the vote tallies are accurate, is even worse. It is depressing and disturbing to think that most American voters would want four more years of:

  1. The birth tax that is saddling our children and grandchildren, even the “unborn” that the right wing supposedly cares so much about, with record-high mountains of debt. Clinton was paying down the national debt. Bush has added to it with record speed. It amounts to about $470,000 per family now. That more than most people who read this owe on their house. But the “leaders” we have in Washington are no longer paying down this debt. They are adding to it. And they are sending the bill to future generations. I think that’s cowardly and immoral.
  2. Huge, intrusive government that infringes on our privacy and tramples on our rights. Civilian federal employment dropped by half a million under Clinton. It is skyrocketing under Bush, and will continue to do so.
  3. Having a chief executive who refuses to go after those who attacked us on September 11, while pushing American men and women into harm’s way in Iraq, a country that was never a threat to the United States.
  4. Having a chief executive who apparently wants a theocracy based on his personal relationship with someone he calls “Jesus.” Bush’s friend “Jesus” is not the same “Jesus” I was taught about when I was a child. Not even close. Who Would Jesus Bomb? He’s not even the same “Jesus” that talks to evangelist Pat Robertson. You may remember a few weeks back, Robertson said he had told Bush before going into Iraq that Jesus told him it was doing to be a huge mess with a lot of American casualties. Obviously, that’s not the same “Jesus” that Bush knows. But the “Jesus” that spoke to Robertson (presuming that happened) at least told the truth about Iraq.

I am particularly concerned about my son’s future. He is 23. Anyone who doesn’t think we’re going to need a draft to sustain this quagmire in Iraq, much less the other empire-building adventures Bush’s team no doubt has planned, must still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. If my son were sent off to get Osama bin Laden, I would be worried but proud of what he was doing. If my son is drafted to go into this war that we are losing in Iraq (Halliburton is the only entity I know of that’s winning anything over there), I would be outraged. Are any Bush supporters surprised that he’s not sending his daughters to Iraq? They are the right age. I suppose like Viet Nam, Iraq a fine place to send other people’s children, but not anyone from the Bush family.

Yes, I’m still in shock. When the shock wears off, I imagine anger will start to set in.

Categories: 2004 Presidential Election


7 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Bill Reiland // Nov 4, 2004 at 9:49 pm

    Where do I start? Mark I don’t see where you come up with the fallacy that President Bush did not go after those responsible for 9/11. The taliban that harbored and provided for AQ and Osama Bin Laden has been destroyed. AQ has been diminished to the point where the worst that Osama can do to America is send a video. Now (in addition to still fighting in afghanistan) we are in Iraq. Using revolutionary technology and war fighting techniques we managed to topple a dictatorship in how many days? Now we are fighting insurgents there. These are people that hate America and everything about the American way of life. If we weren’t fighting them there, they would be trying to fight us HERE.

    I recently heard the following story: An old man as working in his back yard. When moving some steps near his back porch he came upon some deadly, poisonous snakes. He had several options. He could simply leave them there. He could go inside and discuss the matter with his wife. He could run next door and discuss with his neighbor (we’ll call him Pierre)what the best options are. Or, he could take shovel, and chop their little heads off before they had a chance to bite his granchildren who often played nearby.

    Analagous is Iraq. It was known after 1992 that Saddam had WMD. He used them on his own people. International intelligence revealed that he still maintained WMD programs. He refused to comply with UN sanctions to simply prove that they had been destroyed. He hated Americans. After the war in Afghanistan, he did take in AQ leaders and allow AQ refuge. I don’t know when, but at some point in time, he would have had the ability to employ WMD to attack America, or provide them to terrorists who would use them against America. And once he could…he would. I don’t know about you, but I’m not sitting around and waiting for that. He needed to go. He’s gone now, and with the exception of some small areas of insurgency, the people of Iraq are flourishing.

    If my son were there serving in the Marines, I’d be proud as hell. I served in the Marines and I’d be proud and honored to return if it were possible. Our men and women there should be honored for what they are doing. Not attacked by Michael Moore lies of a “war for oil” and halliburton incentives.

    I’m still waiting for specific instances where President Bush has shoved Christianity on anyone, anywhere. He has core beliefs which are no doubt founded in his faith and he stands for what he believes in. He is not afraid to stand for what he believes in. I have yet to see an instance where he has enjoined anyone from practicing their beliefs as Muslims, Catholics, Jews, or as atheists and agnostics. He does believe that there is right and there is wrong. Moral relativism is what will be the downfall of our society. Not religious persons standing up for what they believe.

    But then, thats just my humble opinion.

  • 2 Mark King // Nov 4, 2004 at 10:23 pm


    We do know that Saddam had “Weapons of Mass Destruction” at one time. We know because Ronald Reagan gave them to him!

    Bush’s own people have concluded that these weapons were gone by the early 1990s.

    Al Qaeda has not been destroyed. It’s bigger than it was before. Bush’s disaster in Iraq has been the greatest recruiting tool this group has ever had. Bush’s own people say there are MORE terrorist attacks in the world today than before we invaded Iraq.

    The United States Army War College (and I think they have some inkling of what’s going on) says the invasion of Iraq: 1) diverted important resources from the efforts to go after those who attacked us, namely bin Laden; and 2) had no apparent exit plan. In fact, it still doesn’t.

    I’m glad there are people willing to serve in the armed forces. My father fought in World War II. Thank you, Bill, for serving in the Marines.

    With all respect, I am sincerely interested in knowing: if you think this empire-building in Iraq is such a good idea, if you would be happy to do and die for Halliburton’s profits — why aren’t you there now? From what I understand, the armed forces are calling up reservists even older than I am. What are your reasons for not going yourself?

    And Michael Moore is a great patriot. Calling attention to the fact that this war was and is a mistake, calling attention to the fact that we sent our troops there ill-equipped for the job and without a plan for exit is supporting the troops, Bill. Forcing them to beg their families to buy armor for combat because the Bush administration won’t spend the money — that is anything but supporting the troops.

    And speaking of Michael Moore, he has a standing offer of $10,000 to anyone who can show anything in his movie that is not factually accurate. Since you accuse him of lying, I am presuming that you will be claiming your $10,000, Bill. What will you claim is not true? What will you spend the money on?

    Self-styled “moral” Republicans pay people to lie about great Americans like Bill Clinton and John Kerry. Yet they go absolutely ape when someone dares to tell the truth about Republicans. If you want an example of “moral relativism,” I can’t think of a better one than that.

  • 3 Rick Horowitz // Nov 4, 2004 at 10:23 pm

    Bill, you’ll be happy to know that when it comes to your “poisonous snake” story, you’re in good company.

    On April 27, 1991, I went to a meeting at the New Life Church (formerly Rock Fellowship) in Fresno. There, I ended (stupid white jewboy that I am) engaging in a “discussion” with Minister Khalid (or “Khallid”; I forget the correct spelling) Abdul Mohammed, who was at that time Minister Farakhan’s number two man.

    For an account of that night, in which he told a variation on this same story as the justification for racism (e.g., the anti-white racism of the Nation of Islam), see my article entitled “Cognitive Dissonance (Resolved).”

    As for specific instances of where Bush has shoved his Christian beliefs on anyone, you need look no farther than what he’s done with stem cell research. But if that’s not good enough for you, maybe you can check out his approach to separation of church and state via “faith-based initiatives.” Or perhaps his comments to Sharon, in Israel,

    God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. Arnon Regular, ‘Road map is a lifesaver for us,’ PM Abbas tells Hamas (original pub. date unknown; last visited 11/5/2004.)

    You don’t get much more of G-d shoved down your throat than when you realize the President is making decisions about sending our kids to war to die because G-d told him to.

    The false dichotomy that you’ve created isn’t our only option. It’s not, “Theocracy or Moral Relativism.” People — mostly people who don’t know how to read — love to talk about how our country was founded upon Christian principles. You do not have to read anything more than the words of our Founders themselves to realize this is not true. Jefferson, in particular, who wrote our Declaration of Independence and the drafts for the Constitution, stated that the ideas came from Montesquieu and his [Jefferson’s] studies of ancient Greek culture. Last time I checked, ancient Greek culture pre-dated Christianity — at least the Spartans and the Athenians that Jefferson focused upon did.

    Not only that, but whereas some of the Founders were not against a national day of Thanksgiving, Jefferson adamantly refused to declare a day for giving thanks on the grounds that this sort of thing was not rightly done by a government official acting in his official capacity.

    Were our Founders Christians? Yes, some were, of a sort. But most also had some pretty nasty things to say about organized religion. And if they were alive today, they would be castigated and vilified for their comments.

    Instead, modern-day right-wing conservative Christians simply pretend they never said those things.

    Or, maybe, as I think is more correct, they just are ignorant of it. They have not read what the Founders wrote and, instead, accept the false statements of those who wish this were, in fact, a nation founded on the principle that their religious beliefs are good enough for them, so they’re good enough for all Americans.

    That’s the one crock of — pardon my French — crap that really gets me riled. For g-d-friggin’ sake why don’t some of you pompous Christian b*st*rds try reading what the Founders said about the governmental endorsement of religion before you go spouting about how the absence of it is what will destroy our country?

    I have no problem with Christians wanting to practice Christianity.

    In fact, I wish a few of you would. Just don’t use my government to do it for you.

  • 4 nick meyer // Nov 5, 2004 at 8:20 am

    Rick, Rick. Pretty harsh words in the last bit of your comment. You’re starting to remind me of someone else we all know and love, who by the way as best as we can tell, no longer visits here. Mellow out my good friend.

  • 5 Bob // Nov 5, 2004 at 9:21 am

    Floating around the web …



    In light of your failure to make the correct

    decision in electing your President,

    thus showing you to be unfit to govern yourselves,

    we hereby give you notice of the

    revocation of your independence effective as of

    Monday 8Th November 2004.

    Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume

    monarchical duties over all

    states, commonwealths and other territories. Except

    Utah, which she doesn’t much fancy.

    Your new Prime Minister, the Rt. Hon. Tony Blair

    M.P., for the 97.85% of you unaware

    of the outside world, will appoint a Minister for

    America without the need for further

    elections. Congress and the Senate will be

    disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated

    in twelve months time to determine if any of you


    To aid your transition into a British Crown

    Dependency, the following rules are introduced

    with immediate effect:

    1) All citizens are to look up “revocation” in the

    Oxford English Dictionary. While

    there, check the pronunciation guide for “aluminium”

    – this may be surprising for

    you. Generally attempt to raise your vocabulary to

    acceptable levels. Look up “vocabulary.”

    Using the same 27 words interspersed with “like” and

    “you know” is an unacceptable

    form of communication. Look up “interspersed.”

    2) There is no such thing as “U.S. English.” We will

    let Microsoft know on your behalf.

    3) Learn to distinguish British and Australian

    accents. It’s not difficult.

    4) Hollywood will henceforth be required to

    occasionally cast Englishmen as good guys.

    5) Re-learn your original anthem, “God Save the

    Queen.” Please ensure that you have

    complied with the first law before attempting this.

    6) Stop playing American “football.” There is only

    one kind of football. What you

    refer to as football is not a very good game. The

    2.15% of you aware of a world outside

    of your borders may have noticed that no one else

    plays it. Play proper football

    instead; to start with, get the girls to help you –

    it is a difficult game. Those

    of you brave enough will, eventually, be allowed to

    play rugby, which is similar

    to American football, but does not involve stopping

    for a rest every twenty seconds

    or wearing full Kevlar body armour like nancies.

    7) Declare war on Quebec and France, using nukes if

    they give you any merde. The

    97.85% of you unaware of the outside world should

    count yourselves lucky the Russians

    have never really been bad guys. “Merde” is French

    for “sh*t.”

    8) 4th July is no longer a public holiday. 2nd

    November will be the new national


    9) American cars are hereby banned. They are crap;

    its for your own good. When we

    show you German cars you’ll understand.

    10) Please tell us who killed JFK. It has been

    driving us crazy.


  • 6 Rick Horowitz // Nov 5, 2004 at 2:23 pm

    Sorry, Nick, that the truth is so painful. 😉

    Did you hear the swearing in ceremony on the news last night for the police department? Apparently, Alan Autry swore in a bunch of new officers and told them, “You are ministers of G-d’s justice.”

    Hoo-ha! Let the fun begin.

    I wrote a few days ago about the coming theocracy. It hath begun.

  • 7 Nat Dawson // Nov 5, 2004 at 3:11 pm

    <EDITOR’S NOTE: I was going to not post this. Several people who knew this post existed (because I told them) suggested that I not post it. But not posting it just goes against the grain for me. Although I’m not the government — and the First Amendment only applies to the governmental suppression of speech (and not always then) — I’m also not a Republican and thus I feel the need to endorse the principles of the First Amendment. This endorsement is not unlimited. So far, I have blocked two kinds of posts: spam and posts that consisted of nothing but gratuitous and gross slander aimed at other people (e.g., not me). (And of the latter, I’ve only blocked one so far.) In the end, I think posting garbage like this shows why the Republican party is morally bankrupt. Let me say point-blank that I’m not a Christian, but if the beliefs of evangelical Christians ever come true, the Anti-Christ will, no doubt (whatsoever), be a Republican leader. You have only to read the comment below to understand why. Frankly, if I were a Republican, I’d be deeply ashamed. Since I am not, I instead feel a deep pity for those who are.

    Finally, let me state that my finally breaking down and posting this comment against the recommendations of other readers does not mean that I will continue to post all such comments in the future. This is my blog. I reserve the right to alter the rules if it becomes necessary. With his pre-pubescent (but occasionally vulgar) vitriolic rants, Mr. Dawson, who wrote the comment below, drove away numbers of readers before and stopped some who continue to read from participating by posting comments. I reserve the right to prevent that from happening again. END EDITOR’S NOTE>

    [Let’s see if you have the nad to post this.]

    All your bilious hatred, your vitriolic posts
    and your outpouring of senseless, moronic carping
    about our President … ALL FOR NAUGHT!!!!
    Your siding with the enemies of this country,
    your welcoming of the embrace of the most
    vile hatemongers such as Michael Moore, your
    condescending, idiotic prating about the
    President’s IQ …. it just made us all the
    more determined to re-elect President Bush.


    So … how does that CROW taste today, good





    Of course … you can always move to France!


    Sincerely .. the ONLY poster to this board who
    had it right all along.

    Nat Dawson

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